Legislature(2023 - 2024)BUTROVICH 205

01/22/2024 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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01:35:33 PM Start
01:36:05 PM SB60
02:17:52 PM Adjourn
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+ SB 60 REPEAL WORKERS' COMP APPEALS COMMISSION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 22, 2024                                                                                        
                           1:35 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                             DRAFT                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator Jesse Kiehl, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
Senator Löki Tobin                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 60                                                                                                              
"An Act  repealing the Workers' Compensation  Appeals Commission;                                                               
relating  to decisions  and orders  of the  Workers' Compensation                                                               
Appeals Commission; relating to  superior court jurisdiction over                                                               
appeals  from  Alaska   Workers'  Compensation  Board  decisions;                                                               
repealing  Rules  201.1,  401.1,   and  501.1,  Alaska  Rules  of                                                               
Appellate  Procedure, and  amending Rules  202(a), 204(a)  - (c),                                                               
210(e),  601(b), 602(c)  and  (h), and  603(a),  Alaska Rules  of                                                               
Appellate Procedure; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  60                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: REPEAL WORKERS' COMP APPEALS COMMISSION                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
02/06/23       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
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02/27/23       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
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05/10/23       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
05/10/23       (S)       Moved SB 60 Out of Committee                                                                           
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05/11/23       (S)       L&C RPT 2DP 1NR                                                                                        
05/11/23       (S)       NR: BJORKMAN                                                                                           
05/11/23       (S)       DP: DUNBAR, GRAY-JACKSON                                                                               
01/22/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DAVID DUNSMORE, Staff                                                                                                           
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced SB 60 on behalf of the sponsor,                                                                
explained the differences between versions A and B of the bill,                                                                 
and answered questions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
NANCY MEADE, General Counsel                                                                                                    
Administrative Offices                                                                                                          
Alaska Court System (ACS)                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the discussion of                                                               
SB 60.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MARTHA TANSIK, Attorney                                                                                                         
Meshke Paddock & Budzinski, P.C.                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave invited testimony in opposition to                                                                   
SB 60.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LYN ELLIOTT, Assistant Vice President                                                                                           
State Government Relations                                                                                                      
American Property Casualty Insurance Association                                                                                
Longmont, Colorado                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave invited testimony in opposition to                                                                   
SB 60.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTY THIEMS, Assistant Vice President                                                                                        
American Property Casualty Insurance Association                                                                                
Chicago, Illinois                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 60.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:35:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MATT CLAMAN called the  Senate Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order  at 1:35 p.m. Present at the  call to order were                                                               
Senators Kiehl, Tobin, Kaufman, Giessel, and Chair Claman.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         SB  60-REPEAL WORKERS' COMP APPEALS COMMISSION                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:36:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 60                                                               
"An Act  repealing the Workers' Compensation  Appeals Commission;                                                               
relating  to decisions  and orders  of the  Workers' Compensation                                                               
Appeals Commission; relating to  superior court jurisdiction over                                                               
appeals  from  Alaska   Workers'  Compensation  Board  decisions;                                                               
repealing  Rules  201.1,  401.1,   and  501.1,  Alaska  Rules  of                                                               
Appellate  Procedure, and  amending Rules  202(a), 204(a)  - (c),                                                               
210(e),  601(b), 602(c)  and  (h), and  603(a),  Alaska Rules  of                                                               
Appellate Procedure; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
This is  the first hearing of  this bill in the  Senate Judiciary                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN solicited  a motion  to adopt  committee substitute                                                               
version B as the working document.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:36:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  moved to adopt  the committee substitute  (CS) for                                                               
SB 60, work order 33-LS0330\B, as the working document.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:36:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked Mr. Dunsmore  to explain the  changes between                                                               
versions A and B.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:36:57 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID DUNSMORE,  Staff, Senator  Bill Wielechowski,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, said that  version B updates all the                                                               
dates from 2023 to 2024.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:37:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  if there were objections  to adopting version                                                               
B; finding none, CSSB 60 was  adopted as the working document. He                                                               
invited Mr. Dunsmore to present version B of the bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:37:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DUNSMORE said  Senator Wielechowski  had another  commitment                                                               
and  would  join the  hearing  later.  He delivered  a  slideshow                                                               
titled  "Senate Bill  60,  Repeal  Workers' Compensation  Appeals                                                               
Commission."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNSMORE said  slide 2  addresses four  major points  of the                                                               
bill:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                         Senate Bill 60                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        Repeals the Alaska Workers' Compensation Appeals                                                                        
     Commission (AWCAC)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
    Returns   jurisdiction   over   Workers'   Compensation                                                                     
     appeals to the Superior Court                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Saves $482,400 per year                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Helps fill the Workers' Compensation budget deficit                                                                       
      and make Alaska's Workers' Compensation system more                                                                       
     solvent                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:38:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DUNSMORE  reviewed  the workers'  compensation  adjudication                                                               
system flowchart,  which contrasts  the current flow  against the                                                               
proposed flow under SB 60. The  flow is the same until a claimant                                                               
appeals  a   Board  decision.  Currently,  the   Alaska  Workers'                                                               
Compensation  Appeals  Commission  (AWCAC) hears  Board  appeals.                                                               
Under  SB 60,  the  Alaska  Superior Court  would  hear them.  In                                                               
either case, the Alaska Supreme  Court hears final appeals. Slide                                                               
3 reads:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                     Worker Files Workers'                                                                                    
                       Compensation Claim                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                  Workers' Compensation Board                                                                               
     (Hearing Panel of Labor member, Management member and                                                                      
                        Hearing Officer)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
             If a Party Appeals the Board Decision                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     CURRENT SYSTEM                     SENATE BILL 60                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Workers' Compensation              Superior Court                                                                        
     Appeals Commission                                                                                                     
     (Hearing Panel of Labor member,                                                                                            
     Management member, and Full-Time                                                                                           
     Attorney Chair)                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
    ALASKA SUPREME COURT               ALASKA SUPREME COURT                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE noted the Workers'  Compensation Board hearing panel                                                               
consists of  a hearing  officer who chairs  the panel,  one labor                                                               
member,  and one  management  member.  The Workers'  Compensation                                                               
Appeals  Commission hearing  panel  consists of  an attorney  who                                                               
chairs the panel, one labor member, and one management member.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE explained that SB  60 returns the appeals process to                                                               
the  pre-2005 system,  where the  Superior  Court heard  workers'                                                               
compensation  appeals. He  noted the  Alaska Supreme  Court hears                                                               
all final appeals, whether under the current system or SB 60.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:39:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DUNSMORE moved  to  slide 4  to compare  the  cost of  doing                                                               
business  under  the current  system  versus  the cost  of  doing                                                               
business under SB 60:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
               SB 60 Will Save $482,400 Per Year                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Currently the Commission has 2 full-time employees and                                                                     
     pays for commissioners' travel and per diem                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  said the two  full-time positions are  an attorney,                                                               
who  is  the  chair,  and  a  clerk.  Travel  and  per  diem  are                                                               
compensated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      Previously, the Court System testified that they can                                                                      
     absorb these cases with a zero fiscal note                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  said the Alaska  Court System (ACS)  estimates that                                                               
SB 60  could increase the  courts workload  by 30 cases  per year                                                               
and that  it can  handle the  extra workload  with a  zero fiscal                                                               
note. The actual  number of cases filed with  the Commission last                                                               
year was  four. He surmised  that the  zero fiscal note  would be                                                               
appropriate even if ACS saw an abnormally high number of cases.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DUNSMORE summarized a graph  on slide 5 titled "WCAC Workload                                                               
has  Fallen Dramatically,"  extracted  from Legislative  Research                                                               
Services Report 24-077. The graph  shows that cases and decisions                                                               
have fallen dramatically between  2007 and 2023. Forty-nine cases                                                               
were  filed in  2007 with  42 published  decisions, whereas  four                                                               
were filed in 2023 with five published decisions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:40:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DUNSMORE moved to slide  6, stating the legislature evaluated                                                               
this issue previously in 2015. He  reviewed a quote from the 29th                                                               
Legislature,  House Finance,  Department of  Labor and  Workforce                                                               
Development  Budget Subcommittee,  FY2016 Narrative  Report dated                                                               
February  25,  2015.  It  identified   AWCAC  as  an  ineffective                                                               
division  and recommended  its elimination.  He  pointed out  the                                                               
AWCAC workload was  significantly higher at that time  than it is                                                               
today. The quote reads:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     "The  Worker's Compensation  Appeals  Commission is  an                                                                    
     ineffective   division?  The   Commission  during   the                                                                    
     calendar year  of 2013  closed 30  cases for  a closure                                                                    
     rate of 67 percent with  an average time from filing to                                                                    
     closure of seven months. This  closure rate and average                                                                    
     time for  closure is not  demonstrably better  than the                                                                    
     process   was   before   the   establishment   of   the                                                                    
     commission."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:41:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DUNSMORE  said one  of the goals  of creating  the Commission                                                               
was to  reach final  decisions faster than  the court  system. He                                                               
reviewed  facts on  slide 7,  which substantiated  the Commission                                                               
had not achieved this goal:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      The Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission Has Not                                                                      
              Closed Cases Faster than the Courts                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     •  The Superior Court took  "8 to 18 months"  to decide                                                                    
        Workers' Compensation Appeals.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     •  When it  was  created,  it  was estimated  that  the                                                                    
        Commission could decide cases in 6 months.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     •  Instead, in 2018 it averaged 371  days (12.2 months)                                                                    
        to decide cases.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     •  Even as their workload decreased, in 2021 they still                                                                    
        averaged 282 days (9.3 months) to decide cases.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     •  More  Commission  decisions  are   appealed  to  the                                                                    
        Supreme Court, adding months to years before final                                                                      
        resolution.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sources:   Testimony   of  Paul   Lisankie,   Director,                                                                    
     Division  of Workers'  Compensation,  Senate Labor  and                                                                    
     Commerce Committee, March 10, 2005.                                                                                        
     Alaska Workers' Compensation  Appeals Commission Annual                                                                    
     Report for Calendar Year 2021.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:42:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DUNSMORE reviewed the number of Superior Court and                                                                          
Commission decisions appealed to the Supreme Court on slide 8:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
         SB 60 Will Reduce Appeals to the Supreme Court                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     When the  Superior Court handled  appeals approximately                                                                    
     25%  of their  decisions were  appealed to  the Supreme                                                                    
     Court.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Since the  Commission was created  in 2005, 37%  of its                                                                    
     decisions have been appealed to the Supreme Court.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Since  2011,  50%  of Commission  decisions  have  been                                                                    
     appealed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Sources:  Testimony  of Doug  Wooliver,  administrative                                                                    
     attorney,  Alaska   Court  System,  Senate   Labor  and                                                                    
     Commerce Committee, March 10, 2005.                                                                                        
     Legislative Research Services Report 19-175.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE said that an increasing number of Commission                                                                       
decisions are appealed to the Supreme Court.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DUNSMORE reviewed slide 9:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       The Office of Management and Budget has identified                                                                       
     potential staff turnover as a key component challenge                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     "The  WCAC is  challenged to  provide timely  decisions                                                                    
     and orders.  WCAC is supported  by two staff.  While no                                                                    
     immediate staff turnover  is anticipated, any attrition                                                                    
        could result in less support for the commission,                                                                        
      making it more difficult to provide timely decisions                                                                      
     and orders."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNSMORE pointed  out that  with its  dozens of  judges, the                                                               
Alaska Superior Court  would not face the same  challenges as the                                                               
Commission with losing a staff member.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:43:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DUNSMORE  reviewed slide  10, which  examines the  decline in                                                               
Alaska Workers' Compensation and Safety  Program income. A tax on                                                               
workers'  compensation  claims  funds  these  programs.  The  tax                                                               
revenue collected  has fallen significantly in  recent years. Tax                                                               
revenues  are  projected  to  continue  falling.  Senator  Bishop                                                               
pointed  out, in  a previous  bill hearing,  that the  decline in                                                               
revenue  is  a good  thing.  On  the  upside, the  decline  means                                                               
Alaska's  workplaces are  getting safer  and have  fewer workers'                                                               
compensation  claims.  On  the downside,  it  creates  a  revenue                                                               
shortage. SB 60 would save the  state $482,300 and help close the                                                               
growing budget gap.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:44:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DUNSMORE summarized  slide 11,  stating SB  60 would  remove                                                               
unnecessary bureaucracy, making state government more efficient:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          Bottom Line                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     SB 60 saves $433,000 annually                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Preserves parties' right to have their cases heard in                                                                      
     timely manner                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Will reduce appeals to the Supreme Court                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        Makes Alaska's Workers' Compensation system more                                                                        
     solvent                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:45:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAUFMAN  sought  assurance  that ACS  could  absorb  the                                                               
additional  workload with  a zero  fiscal note,  and he  asked if                                                               
there were any hidden costs with enacting SB 60.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNSMORE replied  that  ACS could  better  address the  zero                                                               
fiscal note.  He stated that  ACS testified that it  could absorb                                                               
the extra  workload with a zero  fiscal note. He said  that while                                                               
judges  have  a  busy  docket  and  may  not  like  an  increased                                                               
workload, there  were only  four claimant  appeals last  year. He                                                               
calculated that with an estimated  rate of four appeals per year,                                                               
each  judge's workload  would increase  by one  case every  seven                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KAUFMAN asked about the  trends that drove the decline in                                                               
appeals.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  said he could  provide the annual reports  from the                                                               
Workers' Compensation  Division which  contain details  about the                                                               
trends. The general  reason for the downward trend  is that fewer                                                               
workplace injuries  have resulted in fewer  workers' compensation                                                               
claims.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:47:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN  asked whether any  legal fees are  involved with                                                               
the transfer of  appeals to ACS and who would  bear the burden of                                                               
those fees.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNSMORE  replied  that  the  Commission  currently  charges                                                               
filing fees,  observing that  both AWCAC and  ACS offer  ways for                                                               
indigent defendants to get waivers.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:48:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  asked whether  the Alaska  Workers' Compensation                                                               
Appeals Commission  is subject to  legislative audit  and whether                                                               
it has been audited.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  replied no.  He said  AWCAC is  not subject  to the                                                               
sunset audit,  probably largely due  to the  Commission's complex                                                               
statutory structure.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:48:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  commented that  four does  not seem  like a  lot of                                                               
cases; by the  same token, backlogs challenge ACS  on all fronts.                                                               
He wondered about the timeframe  for completing an appeal, asking                                                               
whether there is data to suggest  that ACS will process an appeal                                                               
faster than the nine months it takes the Commission.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  answered that he  does not necessarily  believe the                                                               
courts can decide  these cases in under nine  months. He referred                                                               
to  testimony from  2005 before  the Commission's  establishment,                                                               
stating  one case  took the  courts between  8 and  18 months  to                                                               
resolve and fewer  decisions were appealed to  the Alaska Supreme                                                               
Court.  The sponsor  expects  the  same trend  under  SB 60  with                                                               
significant savings due to fewer appeals.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:50:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN invited Ms. Meade to come forward and testify.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:50:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN said  that a zero fiscal note  is reasonable because                                                               
there do not appear to be  many cases. He asked for details about                                                               
the timeline to resolution with the ACS backlogs.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:50:40 PM                                                                                                                    
NANCY  MEADE,  General  Counsel, Administrative  Offices,  Alaska                                                               
Court  System,  Anchorage,  Alaska, answered  that  the  time-to-                                                               
disposition  was  8  to  18  months in  2005,  according  to  the                                                               
testimony  of  her ACS  predecessors.  The  resolution of  agency                                                               
appeals is  currently taking  longer. She  does not  know exactly                                                               
how  long but  said she  might  be able  to find  that data.  She                                                               
explained  that  parties  often agree  to  extensions,  which  is                                                               
largely why it takes a long  time. She surmised that 18 months is                                                               
a fairly routine timeframe for  agency appeals. She announced her                                                               
availability to take fiscal note questions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:51:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  expressed his  understanding  that  the number  of                                                               
cases would not  affect the court fiscally.  He expressed concern                                                               
about the time-to-disposition because 18 months is a long time.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  replied yes, but a  zero fiscal note does  not mean no                                                               
workload  impact. She  said a  fiscal  note would  mean hiring  a                                                               
person and clarified that ACS does  not just hire a person due to                                                               
a  judge's increased  workload unless  circumstances are  severe.                                                               
The  same number  of  judges will  have  more work  if  SB 60  is                                                               
enacted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE said  the number  of  cases appealed  to the  Superior                                                               
Court last year may not be  an indication of the number of future                                                               
cases. She  explained the number of  cases spiked to 49  when the                                                               
jurisdiction changed  from the Superior  Court to AWCAC  in 2005.                                                               
She  expressed that  it is  not an  unreasonable conclusion  that                                                               
there is  more uncertainty  when there is  a change.  More people                                                               
might  try to  get  a different  result out  of  the change.  She                                                               
conjectured  that although  four might  have been  the number  of                                                               
appeals last year,  the number could be greater in  the near term                                                               
until the situation stabilizes.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE said  that whether  it is  30 or  4 cases,  the fiscal                                                               
impact  would  be   zero,  and  the  workload   impact  would  be                                                               
substantial. These  cases are  very difficult  for judges  who do                                                               
not  have expertise  in workers'  compensation adjudication.  She                                                               
said that  is one of the  main reasons why, in  2005, these cases                                                               
went  from the  courts, without  subject matter  expertise, to  a                                                               
panel with experience in the area.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:53:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL asked  about the  qualifications to  sit on  the                                                               
Commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE listed the qualifications, stating the chair:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
- is a full-time state employee;                                                                                                
- serves on every panel;                                                                                                        
- is an attorney;                                                                                                               
- is  required   to  have  experience   in  workers' compensation                                                               
   matters.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The labor and management panelists require:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
- a background in either labor or management;                                                                                   
- previous   experience   serving on  the Workers'   Compensation                                                               
  Board.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  said the Commission  has subject matter  experts in                                                               
adjudicating the  facts of workers' compensation  cases. However,                                                               
the  Commission   does  not  have   subject  matter   experts  in                                                               
adjudicating legal matters  which is the role  of the Commission.                                                               
For  instance,  they  are not  experts  in  adjudicating  whether                                                               
standards of  evidence were viewed  correctly. Two-thirds  of the                                                               
panel   are  lay   members  with   Workers'  Compensation   Board                                                               
experience, and one-third is an attorney.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:54:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  brought up invited  testimony. He  asked Ms. Tansik                                                               
to put herself on the record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:55:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MARTHA  TANSIK,  Attorney,  Meshke  Paddock  &  Budzinski,  P.C.,                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska, gave  invited testimony  in opposition  to SB
60,   stating  the   majority  of   her   practice  is   workers'                                                               
compensation  defense.  She  has  experience  with  the  Workers'                                                               
Compensation  Board,  the  Commission,  and  the  Alaska  Supreme                                                               
Court. The issue of AWCAC is  a challenge for all those involved.                                                               
She  has   been  on  the  recipient   end  of  precedent-changing                                                               
decisions from the  Commission. She is under no  illusion that it                                                               
is a  perfect system. She expressed  her belief that there  is no                                                               
perfect system.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  TANSIK  listed  the  following  major  concerns  related  to                                                               
repealing  the  Commission  and  returning  the  first  layer  of                                                               
appeals to the [Superior] Court:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
- Subject matter complexity                                                                                                     
- Lack of Superior Court resources                                                                                              
- Failure to meet the intent of the Act                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:56:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. TANSIK provided historical context  to the concern of subject                                                               
matter  complexity. Appeals  shifted from  the Superior  Court to                                                               
the Commission in  2005; simultaneously, there was  a major shift                                                               
in  Alaska's workers'  compensation  law. Alaska  shifted from  a                                                               
settled body of  law discussing legal and  "but-for" standards to                                                               
substantial cause.  She explained  the shift  in the  law allowed                                                               
for a lot of nuances that  did not necessarily exist before 2005.                                                               
She   expressed  her   belief  that   this  might   explain  some                                                               
differences in the number of appeals  and a downward trend as the                                                               
law has become more settled since 2005.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:57:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. TANSIK said that Superior  Court judges are generalists. They                                                               
are not  subject matter  experts, but the  Commission is.  At the                                                               
center of  a Commission hearing is  an attorney who is  a subject                                                               
matter  expert.  The lay  members  of  the Commission  have  more                                                               
experience with  workers' compensation  cases than  many Superior                                                               
Court  judges. It  is  important  to have  an  individual who  is                                                               
familiar   with  the   Workers'  Compensation   Act  adjudicating                                                               
appeals. This familiarity reduces the  likelihood of an appeal to                                                               
the  Supreme Court.  The Commission  has precedential  value. Its                                                               
decisions must be  adhered to as law, whereas  the Superior Court                                                               
decisions do not.  So, there is little to no  incentive to accept                                                               
a  ruling  of   the  Superior  Court  except   to  reduce  future                                                               
litigation  costs. Subject  matter expertise  promotes efficiency                                                               
and predictability. There is no  indication that in the post-2005                                                               
law  change that  the Superior  Court would  be any  more correct                                                               
than   the  Commission.   Futhermore,   as   the  Commission   is                                                               
precedential, it helps keep cases  from arising on appeal because                                                               
all parties are  clearer on the rules, reducing  the workload for                                                               
the Supreme Court, rather than increasing it.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:58:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. TANSIK brought up a concern  regarding a lack of resources at                                                               
the Superior Court.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:58:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  interjected to  mention that he  was struck  by the                                                               
resources  AWCAC  requires to  handle  a  fairly light  caseload.                                                               
Especially  compared to  the  number of  opinions  issued by  the                                                               
Alaska Supreme Court or Court of Appeals.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. TANSIK  agreed. She  said that  four appeals in  a year  is a                                                               
light caseload; however,  there have been two  already this year.                                                               
She said the trend appears to be changing in 2024.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. TANSIK  said that  there is  another point  of consideration.                                                               
Sometimes  the numbers  that are  reflected  on appeal  correlate                                                               
with the  number of Board  decisions issued within a  given year.                                                               
Fewer hearings at  the Board level means  fewer opportunities for                                                               
appeal. Since there are often  fewer hearings at the Board level,                                                               
there  is a  corresponding smaller  number of  cases appealed  to                                                               
AWCAC.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:59:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN invited her to continue with the second point.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  TANSIK  said  the  second  point is  that  it  will  take  a                                                               
considerable amount  of time for  the Superior Court to  render a                                                               
decision. The court  has important cases to adjudicate  in a more                                                               
timely  manner   than  workers'  compensation  cases.   Eight  to                                                               
eighteen  months is  much  longer than  the  Commission takes  to                                                               
render a decision.  The timeframe does not support  the intent of                                                               
the  Workers'  Compensation  Act,  which is  to  deliver  injured                                                               
individuals or employers quick,  efficient, fair, and predictable                                                               
benefits at  a reasonable cost.  She said there is  nothing about                                                               
appeals  through  the  Superior   Court  that  is  quicker,  more                                                               
efficient, or predictable than the  Commission nor more likely to                                                               
be at a reasonable cost.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  TANSIK  said  the  Commission  is  funded  in  part  through                                                               
earmarked premiums,  and it is  interesting to think  that burden                                                               
would shift  to the general  fund. There  is more that  goes into                                                               
the  epidemiology of  a drop  in cases  or workforce  development                                                               
than whether or not there  were merely four cases. Elimination of                                                               
the Commission solely  based on four cases  overlooks the broader                                                               
issue.  She expressed  appreciation for  the committee's  time to                                                               
look at the system as a whole.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:01:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN invited committee members to ask questions.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:01:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  asked whether  the Commission  has the  ability to                                                               
set legal precedent.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. TANSIK replied  yes. The Commission has the  legal ability to                                                               
set legal precedent,  which is a legally binding  decision. It is                                                               
a  decision that  helps form  the  body of  law surrounding  that                                                               
area. She  explained that statute, regulations,  and precedential                                                               
case law comprise the rules governing a given area of law.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:02:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  explained that AWCAC  is bound by  prior decisions.                                                               
Each time an appeal comes before  the Commission it looks to past                                                               
decisions  to  inform  its  deliberations   on  new  appeals.  It                                                               
considers how similar  subject matter was handled in  the past to                                                               
resolve the current case. The  Commission would look to published                                                               
Alaska Supreme  Court and Alaska Superior  Court decisions, which                                                               
might have higher precedential weight  than its own decisions. He                                                               
asked whether she agreed with this explanation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  TANSIK replied  that the  portion pertaining  to the  Alaska                                                               
Supreme  Court is  correct. It  has a  higher precedential  value                                                               
until  the  legislature  alters   the  law  through  statute  and                                                               
regulations. However, the Alaska  Superior Court decisions do not                                                               
hold precedential value.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TOBIN expressed  curiosity around  non-lawyers and  non-                                                               
judges setting precedent.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:03:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked whether there  is a correlation  between the                                                               
number  of  rulings the  Commission  issues  and appeals  to  the                                                               
Supreme  Court. He  said  the  numbers seem  to  vary between  30                                                               
percent and the high 60s.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  TANSIK  agreed  that  the   percentages  swing  a  lot.  She                                                               
described  two  cases currently  on  appeal  that shed  light  on                                                               
factors affecting the fluctuation:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1. One case is probably  driven more by the particular claimant's                                                               
   counsel, who is representing the employee, than by the                                                                       
   likelihood that the Appeals Commission would overturn the                                                                    
   decision based on merit.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2. The  other case  up before  the Supreme Court  has to  do with                                                               
   attorney's fees and costs, and the desire of the employee's                                                                  
   counsel to have attorney's fees paid at upwards of $600 per                                                                  
   hour.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. TANSIK  said these are  not issues  that are settleable  at a                                                               
Board or Commission level; instead, they  go up all the way up to                                                               
the Supreme  Court on  appeal. The  difference between  these and                                                               
some  earlier   decisions  depends  on   where  precedent-setting                                                               
decisions fell  in the post-2005  legal landscape. The  number of                                                               
self-represented  individuals who  move up  through the  workers'                                                               
compensation appeals system varies considerably each year.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:05:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  asked  the  next  invited  testifier  to  identify                                                               
herself for the record.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:05:57 PM                                                                                                                    
LYN   ELLIOTT,  Assistant   Vice   President,  State   Government                                                               
Relations,  American  Property   Casualty  Insurance  Association                                                               
(APCIA),  Longmont, Colorado,  stated  that  APCIA represents  82                                                               
percent  of  Alaska's  workers'  compensation  insurance  market,                                                               
which  is a  large  footprint  in this  sector.  APCIA is  keenly                                                               
interested  in  this  legislation   and  its  members  have  long                                                               
supported the  work of AWCAC and  oppose its repeal. SB  60 is in                                                               
direct opposition  to the Grand Bargain  of workers' compensation                                                               
which is  to ensure timely  payment of benefits without  the need                                                               
for  unnecessary  legal  system delays.  From  this  perspective,                                                               
AWCAC should be  considered a model for the nation.  She made the                                                               
following three points:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1.   Workers'  compensation   is  extraordinarily   complex.  The                                                               
    Commission members  are subject matter experts. She said that                                                               
    workers'  compensation is  one of the  most complex  areas of                                                               
    law.  Alaska's significant case law  has extensively modified                                                               
    Alaska statutes.  AWCAC members are knowledgeable of workers'                                                               
    compensation  law and case  law. Their knowledge  allows them                                                               
    to  adjudicate cases more  easily and reduces  the likelihood                                                               
    of  a Supreme Court appeal. She said that a  drop in cases is                                                               
    exactly   what  APCIA  wants  and  expects  to   see  if  the                                                               
    Commission  is  doing its  job properly.  She attributes  the                                                               
    drop  in  cases  to  "precedential value."  The  Commission's                                                               
    rulings  are binding as  law, guide in making  decisions, and                                                               
    factor  into  lowering  the number  of  cases  brought up  on                                                               
    appeal.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:09:37 PM                                                                                                                    
2.  The judicial  system  has  the potential  for  delays in  the                                                               
    resolution of  workers'  compensation  appeals. The  Superior                                                               
    Court  has six  months  from  hearing  to  trial to  issue  a                                                               
    decision.  In  contrast, the  Commission  has  30  days  from                                                               
    hearing to resolution  of an  appeal for claimants.  She said                                                               
    that six months violates the Grand Bargain based on the tenet                                                               
    of timeliness.  She  expressed her  understanding that  civil                                                               
    cases, which include workers' compensation cases, take a back                                                               
    seat to criminal cases. A workers' compensation case could be                                                               
    deprioritized in favor  of a  criminal case before  the clock                                                               
    started to tick.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3. The  repeal of the Commission  does not support the  intent of                                                               
   the Alaska Workers' Compensation  Act. The Act states that the                                                               
   intent of  the legislature is to ensure  the quick, efficient,                                                               
   fair,  and  predictable  delivery  of  indemnity  and  medical                                                               
   benefits   to  injured  workers   at  a  reasonable   cost  to                                                               
   employers.  She  suggested  that  if the  Superior  Court  can                                                               
   guarantee  workers' compensation  appeals are  resolved in  30                                                               
   days, this might be  an acceptable policy move. However, APCIA                                                               
   does not see demonstrable  evidence this would occur. She said                                                               
   that  saving less  than $480,000  at  the expense  of a  quick                                                               
   resolution for  injured workers does  not appear to be  a good                                                               
   trade-off.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. ELLIOTT said that APCIA urges a no vote on SB 60.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:11:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  said  the  budget shows  the  Commission  has  two                                                               
employees. The  staff consists  of the  office assistant  and the                                                               
chair of the Commission. He asked her:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
- to describe the Commission members  who are not paid as subject                                                               
   matters experts;                                                                                                             
- where these members get their expertise;                                                                                      
- why they are not compensated.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN  expressed curiosity  at  how  a volunteer  can  be                                                               
described as a subject matter expert.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:12:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. ELLIOTT  replied that she is  not a budget expert  and cannot                                                               
speak to  the budget.  She said  volunteer commissioners  spend a                                                               
lot  of time  and  effort  to become  subject  matter experts  in                                                               
workers' compensation.  The Commission's  rulings are  as binding                                                               
as law. She deferred to Ms. Thiems to answer the question.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:13:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN said  the budget  indicates that  four members  are                                                               
budgeted $400 per  day for 13 total days exclusive  of the chair.                                                               
He said  that this compensation  probably pales in  comparison to                                                               
the salary that  Ms. Tansik is paid to work  on these matters. He                                                               
remarked  that Commission  members do  not seem  to be  paid well                                                               
considering their responsibilities.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN offered Ms. Thiems the opportunity to speak.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:14:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTY  THIEMS,  Assistant  Vice  President,  American  Property                                                               
Casualty  Insurance Association,  Chicago,  Illinois, stated  the                                                               
Commission's  lay members  generally have  more safety  expertise                                                               
and   experience  dealing   with  work   injuries  and   workers'                                                               
compensation   claims.  These   members   bring   value  to   the                                                               
Commission. The  Workers' Compensation  Act's primary goal  is to                                                               
ensure  benefits  to  injured   workers  without  delay.  Injured                                                               
workers  could  potentially  wait  longer  for  benefits  if  the                                                               
jurisdiction of appeals reverts to the Superior Court.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:16:16 PM                                                                                                                    
Senator Wielechowski joined the meeting.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  for statistics about the number  of cases the                                                               
Alaska Workers' Compensation Board decides.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  answered that the  data is available in  the Annual                                                               
Report  published by  the Division  of Workers'  Compensation. He                                                               
said that he would collect the data for the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:16:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  inquired about the  number of decisions  the Alaska                                                               
Worker's  Compensation Board  makes  and asked  whether the  four                                                               
cases that were appealed last year meant:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
- everyone is happy with the Workers' Compensation Board;                                                                       
- the Commission has a reputation for affirming Board decisions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He said that he would appreciate receiving this information.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:17:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN held SB 60 in committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:17:52 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Claman  adjourned the  Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 2:17 p.m.                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 60 version A.PDF SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Blank CS Version B.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Summary of Changes A to B.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Sponsor Statement version B 1.16.24.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Sectional Analysis version B 1.16.24.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Fiscal Note-DOLWD-WCAC-02-24-23 (1).pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Fiscal Note-DOLWD-WCAC-02-24-23.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Sponsor's PowerPoint 1.16.24.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Research Legislative Finance Fund Source Report 2.6.2023.pdf SFIN 4/9/2024 9:00:00 AM
SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Research OMB Component Budget Summary 12.14.23.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Research WCAC Annual Report 3.10.23.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Research House Labor and Workforce Development Finance Subcommittee Report 2.23.2015.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Research Legislative Research Services chart 1.2023.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Research Revenue Source Book Excerpt 12.19.23.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Letters of Opposition - Received as of 1.22.24.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Supporting Documents Legislative Research Chart 1.22.24.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB 60 Sponsor's PowerPoint Updated 1.22.24.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 60
SB060-JUD-ACS-01-22-24.pdf SJUD 1/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
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